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From the Left Hand Corner: Responses

Posted: February 19, 2013 - 5:31pm

First I’d like to respond to last week’s column of my Abler conservative cohort on the subject of meetings. On it, we can agree. Like Pete, I’ve attended an awful lot of meetings over a lifetime, and a lot of them have been boring and unproductive.

I think I started as a 4-H member at age 7, and ever since have attended, and in many cases chaired, political and governmental meetings, neighborhood meetings, church meetings, civic meetings, professional meetings, work meetings and more that I’ve missed or conveniently forgotten.

As with Pete, the somewhat captive and repetitive work meetings leave the most negative memories.

However, it is great to be in a society that freely overwhelms us with a vast choice of meetings to schedule, attend and participate in without stealth and fear.

Good meetings are more than a sharing of information. A major purpose is for exchange of ideas and learning additional facts in formulating decisions. A collection of ideas and opinions is, in almost all cases, better than any single one.

One who chairs meetings should always keep in mind that the meeting belongs to the participants, not the chair or officers. That is why there is a meeting, in order to gain collective consideration and action. I think Pete confirms the adage that, meeting decisions belong to those who show up. If you can’t get off the bar stool or out of the easy chair to attend, don’t complain about the results of meetings you could have attended in your area, any more than you should complain about election results if you didn’t take the time and effort to vote.

I also share Pete’s chagrin that some elections are subject to decision based on votes of “low information voters.” Although probably true, it is still disconcerting.

One can question whether low information voting is better than not voting at all, but to the extent it exists it is subject to exploiting. At the local level at least, meeting attendance and participation will alleviate its existence.

In other response, I’m usually spared the negative comments on columns since I don’t know how to blog, or tweet or twitter, but I do read the paper.

Four weeks ago I read an article in the Minneapolis Tribune that seemed bothersome and caused me to write about guns. I acknowledged that I wasn’t arguing or adding much to the merits of the issue(s) but was concerned about how we as a society are dealing with the serious questions at hand.

I concluded that, as a lifelong “gunner,” I personally can get along fine without a fully automatic high capacity assault rifle. I don’t have an exact limiting shell number in mind, but find the high capacity magazine the most worrisome aspect. I don’t know what was banned in the 1930s and don’t know exactly what was banned following the Reagan years, nor what was unbanned in the 1990s. I stated “fully automatic” to distinguish from the “semi-automatics” we use in deer and duck hunting, a distinction some “anti-gunners” fail to make in their blanketing prohibiting arguments.

The stuff on NRA rating was taken right out of the Minneapolis newspaper article, most of it verbatim. It was reported that the NRA ranked our 10 federal elected officials, every one of them, either A or F. They gave no explanation or qualifying comments. They gave no grade to any of the 10 Senators and Congresspeople of anything between A and F. I don’t know what rating process NRA has, uses, nor how they work, whatever they use. I commented on what they did.

How does that convert to the Week One criticism of Mr. Bertram (at least he was quite civil) and his assumption about “the weapon he describes?" I didn’t describe any particular or specific “weapon”, at least none that I know of. I simply stated disinterest in having anything fully automatic, anything high capacity, anything that was seemingly more designed for hurting people than sporting usage.

I don’t know what a Huldra AR 15 is or where that fits in. It is appalling to even think, as Mr. Bertram suggests, that the shotgun that I use “will kill more students in a classroom” than some gun I’m supposedly “demonizing”. No, it won’t!

As noted above, the only reason I used the term "fully automatic" was to avoid lumping shotguns and deer rifles in with broadbrush prohibiting statements that I’ve heard some anti-gun people make.

Week Two was more derogatory. Mr. Buell accuses me of “an outright ... and deliberate lie” in saying I can get along without a fully automatic high-capacity assault rifle. That is my belief and preference. I made it clear earlier in the column that I want to keep the dozen or so guns and rifles that I now have.

I find it a bit ironic that for quite a number of years, gun ownership and usage was at issue, and quite hotly contested, without the Second Amendment even referenced in argument on the subject. Mr. Buell apparently has a great deal more factual knowledge and insight than the rest of us about express statements of the founders writing amendments and quotes of Washington, Mason and Jefferson. If so, verify and enlighten us.

We can have differing opinion, and different interpretation, but accusation of “outright ... and deliberate lie” when I was only expressing my personal reflection is rather hurtful.

Then Week Three, Mr. Lund attacks for denigrating the NRA “elected official system”. I didn’t know they had one, nor if they followed it, if one existed. What I do know is what I read in the Minneapolis Tribune, and I believe that I referenced from it accurately, and in most aspects verbatim. (I didn’t keep a copy to check again.)

I wasn’t denigrating any unknown to me system as such. I was criticizing the NRA for what they did. All 10 of our federal elected officials were ranked either A or F, nothing in between, no one B, no one C, no one D, and no pluses or minuses as now referenced by Mr. Lund as possible.

That is what they did. That exemplifies the extreme approach of NRA, in this particular instance, which I view as part of pattern to hold to extremes which I believe impedes constructive resolution of the problems we face.

I don’t expect any others’ agreement, but I don’t think my observation, reference to the Trib article and criticism of the NRA justify Mr. Lund’s accusation of “lie” a half dozen times.

The complex issue cries out for a more reasonable approach.

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rightwingnuts
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rightwingnuts 02/19/13 - 06:38 pm
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The extremist gun-nuts are all in a tizzy.

They are incapable of using reason. Instead, all they can do is attack anyone who offers minor, rational solutions to our truly insane gun culture, by calling anyone they disagree with "liars." They are completely nuts!

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Sleepr2 02/19/13 - 07:38 pm
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If the shoe fits Nutz....

you've been caught in several lies about the libs gun grabber agenda.

And Mr Bye
here's where your wrong, again..

"that the shotgun that I use “will kill more students in a classroom” than some gun I’m supposedly “demonizing”. No, it won’t!"

"No, it won’t"
YES! it will a shotgun is MORE lethal in a small area, but don't let reality and facts get in the way of your lefty cheerleading.

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rightwingnuts 02/19/13 - 08:17 pm
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Then out pops one of the dumbest gun-nuts...

It's past your bedtime, Sleepy.

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Sleepr2 02/19/13 - 09:08 pm
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lame responce from left wing Nutz.

as expected from someone that will not admit their lies

"Sec. 7. PERSONS POSSESSING ASSAULT WEAPONS ON EFFECTIVE DATE
10.21OF ACT; REQUIRED ACTIONS.
10.22Any person who, on February 1, 2013, legally owns or is in possession of an assault
10.23weapon has until September 1, 2013, to do any of the following without being subject to
10.24prosecution under Minnesota Statutes, section 624.7133:
10.25(1) remove the weapon from the state;
10.26(2) surrender the weapon to a law enforcement agency for destruction;
10.27(3) render the weapon permanently inoperable; or
10.28(4) if eligible, register the weapon as provided in Minnesota Statutes, section
10.29624.7133, subdivision 5.
10.30EFFECTIVE DATE.This section is effective the day following final enactment

10.26(2) surrender the weapon to a law enforcement
10.26(2) surrender the weapon to a law enforcement
10.26(2) surrender the weapon to a law enforcement
10.26(2) surrender the weapon to a law enforcement
10.26(2) surrender the weapon to a law enforcement
10.26(2) surrender the weapon to a law enforcement
10.26(2) surrender the weapon to a law enforcement
10.26(2) surrender the weapon to a law enforcement

But Nutz the gun grabbing extremist said "no is going to take your guns."

lier.

rightwingnuts
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rightwingnuts 02/20/13 - 07:30 am
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jaysoffroad
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jaysoffroad 02/20/13 - 10:17 am
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Opinions are like A _____,

Opinions are like A _____, everyones got one but please Mr Bye, check facts before you make a complete idiot of yourself. The Tribune? REALLY Don?
If you want any credibility do a little fact checking before you do your column or you'll sound as stupid as Ricky!

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Tusker 02/20/13 - 11:33 am
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Ignorance

You said it best yourself, Don:

"I don’t know what was banned in the 1930s and don’t know exactly what was banned following the Reagan years, nor what was unbanned in the 1990s."

"I don’t know what rating process NRA has, ..."

"I don’t know what a Huldra AR 15 is ..."

"I didn’t know they had one, ..."

It would be best if you refrained from commenting on things you so clearly no nothing about.

I will give you credit, however, for your honesty in admitting how little you know.

rightwingnuts
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rightwingnuts 02/20/13 - 05:09 pm
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rightwingnuts
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rightwingnuts 02/20/13 - 05:13 pm
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rightwingnuts
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rightwingnuts 02/20/13 - 05:16 pm
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ECHO, FIX YOUR COMMENTS SOFTWARE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

How is someone supposed to refute these fools if your software automatically censors comments for no legitimate reason?

Sleepr2
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Sleepr2 02/20/13 - 05:21 pm
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Poor Nutz

she's even blaming the software for not wanting to read her Movon drivel...

rightwingnuts
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rightwingnuts 02/20/13 - 05:22 pm
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Tusker has lost the plot - again, as always

Tusker, if someone doesn't know much about different models of cars, is he entitled to an opinion about traffic safety?

Unlike you irrational fringe gun-nuts, most Americans realize that our insane gun laws need some relatively minor reforms.

rightwingnuts
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rightwingnuts 02/20/13 - 05:45 pm
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Sleepy demonstrates that he is the dumbest of the Three Stooges

Sleepy can't even figure out that the proposed MN gun law is about REGISTRATION of unnecessary assault weapons, not confiscation. It is written like laws for owners of cars and boats. If a car of boat isn't moved out of MN, or surrendered to a junk yard, it must be REGISTERED in MN!

surrendered to a junk yard
surrendered to a junk yard
surrendered to a junk yard

rightwingnuts
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rightwingnuts 02/20/13 - 05:44 pm
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Sleepy sez facts he disagrees with, or doesn't get, are "lies"

Like Don Bye pointed out about the NRA, who "rated" MN federal legislators with only an A or an F, with no B, C or D, he is an "all or nothing" sort of fool. When he hears or sees facts that he disagrees with, he just calls them "lies", and the sources "liers."

Now that's an idiot.

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rightwingnuts 02/20/13 - 05:43 pm
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Sleepy is incapabable of comprehending gray area or nuance

All a simple rightwing mind, like his, and the other Three Stooges, can comprehend is black or white, good or bad, A of F.

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tjohnson 02/20/13 - 06:02 pm
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Nutty is an embecile

Nutty refutes his own statements within one paragraph, and then re-posts his lie. What an embecile.

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tjohnson 02/20/13 - 06:07 pm
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Nutty is dim.

Nutty says, "if someone doesn't know much about different models of cars, is he entitled to an opinion about traffic safety?"

Poor analogy dimwit.

rightwingnuts
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rightwingnuts 02/20/13 - 06:12 pm
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[filtered word] doesn't even realize what an idiot he is

So he just belligerently carries on with his mindless Three Stooges routine. Like sleepy, he is incapable of reason, and when he hears or see facts he doesn't like, he call them "lies." A true moron.

rightwingnuts
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rightwingnuts 02/20/13 - 06:17 pm
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Jay's off his rocker

Apparently Jaysoffhisrocker isn't even smart enough to understand what an analogy is. Now that is dumb! It's amazing he is even able to function at all as such a low-functioning individual.

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tjohnson 02/20/13 - 06:28 pm
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Nutty thinks if he repeats his lies they will become true.

Nutty thinks if he repeats his lies they will become true.

Nutty says, "In fact, Don Bye was correct in saying, “All of Minnesota’s federal elected officials are rated either A or F. There is no room for grading in between, no B, no C, no D, just 10 times A or F.”

Then, in the same paragraph, Nutty says, "The only exception was that Franken wasn't rated."

Then Nutty posts a link to the NRA ratings that clearly other congressmen with grades of B, D, C.

Which is it DA Nutty. It can't be both. So it it obvious to everyone that you are just a dumb parrot that is unable to think or understand, but can only repeat what he hears. Unfortunately Al Sharpton and Chris Matthews are who he hears. What a DA Nutty is.

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rightwingnuts 02/20/13 - 06:42 pm
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[filtered word] is behaving as stupidly as usual

Here is a mental challenge for [filtered word]'s [filtered word]: Can the petty Stooge can tell us which "all or nothing" letter "grades" the NRA gave to MN legislators, other than A or F. He simply can't because the only 'grades" they were given were A or F. Knowing that he isn't smart enough to use logic, no "grade" given to Franken, and that means he did not get a "grade."

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tjohnson 02/20/13 - 06:55 pm
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Nutt shows just how stupid he is.

Nutty repeats Don Bye's lie, "ALL of Minnesota’s federal elected officials are rated either A or F. There is no room for grading in between, no B, no C, no D, just 10 (TEN) times A or F.”

Nutty, you world class DA. You are too stupid to post. You do not even know the definitions of ALL and TEN.

What a moron. ROFLMOA!!!

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tjohnson 02/20/13 - 06:56 pm
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It's not Nutty's fault.

Somebody as stupid, uninformed, misinformed, and low IQ as Nutty, has absolutely no idea what a real idiot he is. There is no doubt in my mind that Nutty has special needs.

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Sleepr2 02/21/13 - 12:31 am
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Poor Nutz, her handlers at Moveon have now

now backpedeled to to calling her lies "gray areas and nuance" .to make her lies less blatantly obvious.

The FACT is Nutz claimed that the libtards were not gong to take anyones guns.

she lied , the MN and MO libs are trying to take "scary" (AKA unnessesary) guns from law abiding gun owners.

My links have shown the facts that Nutz is a typical liblier.

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Sleepr2 02/21/13 - 12:35 am
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loads of moveon BS!

"the proposed MN gun law is about REGISTRATION of unnecessary assault weapons, not confiscation"

BS!
from your libtard proposed law! ( You pathetic lier)

"10.26(2) surrender the weapon to a law enforcement"

tjohnson
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tjohnson 02/21/13 - 08:04 am
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It's not Nutty's fault.

Sleepr, give Nutty a break. She can't read. She is not capable of independent thought. She cannot understand logic or analytical thinking. She is a dimwit.

Nutty is no more responsible for what she says, than the parrot who is taught to swear.

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jaysoffroad 02/21/13 - 08:22 am
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Nutty, how many times have I

Nutty, how many times have I told you to start yer rants with, "Once upon a time!"

What a pathetic loser!

tjohnson
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tjohnson 02/21/13 - 12:23 pm
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Nutty Clean-Up Your Posts

Nutty, clean-up your vulgar posts, and they won't get flagged. Stop being a pig.

tjohnson
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tjohnson 02/21/13 - 12:59 pm
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Tom will do just fine without jackpine.

Tom and his businesses will do just fine without jackpine. He also has a long history of serving our country, teaching school, and volunteering in his community.

Besides jackpine, your weekly trips to the food shelves do not benefit anyone but you.

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